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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:16:00 - [1] Why does it need nerfing? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:35:00 - [2] The devs have already confirmed that the Angel lvl 4 version of Worlds Collide is only available in low sec, and that the other versions are nerfed on the development server. Soon they will show up on TQ as well. So no more level 4 Worlds Collide in high sec soon. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/07/2006 11:45:56 Originally by: HippoKing you are aware that that was said before the last batch of mission changes came through? The ones everyone were whining about Maybe they accidently reversed the change when they returned mission difficulty to pre-patch. I can see these changes, combined with increasing sniper gankage, spawning several powerful whine threads. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:48:00 - [4] Originally by: HippoKing Oh ****, I just realised that most of the OP was missing I feel like a tard now Yeah, your OP was "For those of you who don't know, Worlds Collide level 4 is a mission". --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:58:00 - [5] Originally by: HippoKing Why do you think I feel like such a tard? Im sure the 80 mill+ from farming WC will help you feel better though. Personally, since they nerfed trading, im doing missions for iskies as well now...i think the money sucks compared to what i used to make. But thats life. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 12:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/07/2006 12:22:25 Off topic: I just got aggroed by all npc's at once during a stupid mission. Warped out with 9% struct in my Raven, thanks to damage control making hull harder to kill. I think its the drones that does this.. every time i take out the drones, I get alot of aggro. Even the npc's hate the drones appearently. Edit: By the way, Large Hull Repairer needs Mechanic V and is medium slot, while Large Armor Repairer needs Mechanic III and is low slow. Doesnt make sense to me... Yes, this post stinks of off-topic sentances. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 12:35:00 - [7] Originally by: HippoKing The cerberus is extremely well suited to missions, especially guristas/serpentis rats. That is, after all, why I am using it. How's the Vagabond for missions btw? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 12:56:00 - [8] Originally by: HippoKing No experience of this, but I wouldn't guess amazing. The fact that most missions exist in DS (so no MWD for you, but rats can MWD all they like) and the huge amounts of webbing rats in many missions could cause big problems. Also, ACs eat ammo too fast for PvE really, and fitting arties to vaga does not look fun. Yeah. Think ill get both a cerb and a vaga in the end, since missions seems to be designed with missile spammers in mind. Its a shame they are so hard with anything close range really. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 13:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Filan Fyretracker worlds collide is a lvl 1 mission with a crapload of frigates. There is a lvl 1 version and a lvl 4 version. This thread is about the lvl 4 one. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 14:36:00 - [10] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/07/2006 14:43:24 They wont be fixing anything for a month though. Vacations. Its always like this in all mmorpg's by the way. Oldtimers find good ways to make huge iskies until its nerfed in some way. Its possible to sit and mine afk and make 40-50 mill per hour as well. There will always be ways of making good money, but i agree with Hippo that being in 0.0 or low sec should be required. 0.0 will then be safer than low sec btw. Right now empire has profits that are insane, with little to no risk. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 14:49:00 - [11] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/07/2006 14:50:17 Originally by: TheNecromancer I personally feel that all level 4 missions should be restricted to low sec only) do you really think people would move to low sec to do them then ? because I think mission runners would just leave EVE then..I know I would.. You could still continue doing lvl 3 missions. Nothing wrong with making the most profitable missions a little dangerous as well. I would actually like them to be made even more profitable, because pirates could jump in at any time to kill you if they were in low sec. For me, it sounds exciting and fun, if the rewards are worth the risk. Sitting in completely safe empire space doing level 4 missions with a ship all pimped up with faction mods (since you know you are protected from other players) are kind of screwed up. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Semai Originally by: Khanias Dear lord Hippo-loser, over half of the posts in this thread are YOURS. If it offends you to be able to do Worlds Collide in high sec I have an idea for you.... DON'T DO IT, maybe then you won't feel obliged to post 4 times in a row about what an outrage it is. I wish they would ban you from the forums for a week just so we wouldn't have to see your spam in every damn thread. /signed Yeah, so we could have more posts like yours with no facts, off-topic and the general lazy /signed when you think something is in favor of your own playing style. HippoKing posts alot, but he doesnt spam alot. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Khanias So on one hand you are so concerned about the balance and how this 1 mission is so out of balance it requires a crusade of postings by you to get fixed but on the other you have no problem farming the hell out of it. Wouldnt you? And why does he even bring attention to this mission if all he is interested in is making money? He must be really stupid, eh? Sigh. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Apertotes if it helps, i had the drones out the whole time, so maybe they made the whole room agro me, dont know. i just know that my shields died incredibly fast to all those seraphims and warlords Yeah, im afraid of using drones now... seems they aggro the entire area in some missions, even when just using them to kill the frigates orbiting you at 5 km. Almost lost a Raven today because of it, but the damage control made me last long enough to finally warp when at 9% structure left... Ive never been warp scrambled in a lvl 4 mission. Not sure if im lucky... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:31:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/07/2006 18:33:15 Originally by: Apertotes what i never tried, so, do you find the damage control better than another pdu for pve? in fact, i guess the best tank would be 2 pdu II and 2 wcs... much more efficient than damage control, aint it? I used it to get higher shield resists myself. Something like 80% explosive resists and 70% thermal vs angels. The added structure/armor resist was not really what i was after. But it saved my ass this time. Im sure there are better setups, but this one tanked the entire area for about a minute thanks to the cap injector and shield boost amplifier combined with high resists. I try to avoid getting attention from them all at the same time though. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.10 10:47:00 - [16] Just let this thread die. World Collide lvl 4 is already nerfed on the development server to be in low sec only. Some day in the future it will be mirrored to TQ. Alot of people are being plain stupid. There is no reason you cant make a post about something you feel is unbalanced in the game, and AT THE SAME TIME take advantage of it until its removed. Its not strange in any way. I really dont understand why some people think it is. And people attack HK because he posts alot instead of commenting on the actual stuff he is posting about. Then you accuse him of spamming and trolling. The irony is very entertaining, but come on, some day you guys must wake the hell up and smell the coffee. Some other people have posted stuff like "OMG, I thought HK was cool, now he is not, in fact he sucks, why did he post this... yadda yadda yadda boom". Give me a break. These forums are not for trying to be popular. Its for discussing game issues, and thats what this post was about in the first place. If you dont agree, fine, but comment on the post, not the poster. That is all. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Sunsets What's the risk in doing worlds collide in low sec at all though, aside from the first stage (I'm assuming you can be probed here but not sure). Once you're in the deadspace complex can people still find you? They can, and they will. My corp scanned, probed out a RATTLESNAKE once. He was in stage 5 of a 5 stage deadspace and we managed to catch up and gank him. Yeah, alot of people use highly expensive stuff for missions. Ganking mission runners in low sec might be made even easier with the new scanning system coming in Kali 1. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.11 08:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Happydayz 50-60 million an hour in empire is simply ridiculous. I regularly rat in a -1.0 truesec system and have problems making this much, let alone the faction drops that occur in the highsec mission. And I still need to scan local for hostiles, prep multiple safespots in case I need to hide, and deal with overcrowding as other people like to enter and NPC in it as well. Missions however are exclusive and renewable, so no resource depletion, and completely devoid of real risk from PvP. No one is saying that Level 4 missions should go away or that all empire dwellers live in poverty. But quite simply your income levels should not be comparable then those who take the risks involved with living in deep 0.0 space. People say that if you are in a alliance, the risk of 0.0 is close to nothing though. But you do have to contribute sometimes to keeping the area safe i guess. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.12 11:30:00 - [19] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 12/07/2006 11:32:30 Originally by: Zoltaris Originally by: Jim McGregor Sitting in completely safe empire space doing level 4 missions with a ship all pimped up with faction mods (since you know you are protected from other players) are kind of screwed up. There is no such thing as completely safe empire space, if you're in a player corp, you can be war dec. and if you're in a NPC corp, you can still be suicide ganked, some players are even planning to suicide gank freighters once they start to drop loots, that should show how much empire space is safe, no? Even 1.0 empire space isn't 100% safe... Suicide ganking a mission running Raven? Yeah right. That will never happen and you know it. Empire is perfectly safe for 99% of mission runners. The 1% being war declared doesnt even count as argument for mission runners not being safe imho. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/07/2006 08:32:15 Originally by: Locke DieDrake So let me get this straight. You farm a mission in a way it was never ment to be farmed. You make millions doing it. And then, after you've made millions, and monopolized that mission for days you come on the forum and say it needs a nerf. You should be banned for exploiting. And the people who have farmed it for months and months without saying anything, they are better? You do know that the mission was already nerfed on the development server when hippo made this post, dont you? It wont be available in high sec, and its not HK's fault.. the devs already knew about this a long time ago. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Locke DieDrake It is not Hippo's fault he spent hours/days farming the mission in a way he clearly thinks is an exploit? I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word fault. Also, the other players that have done the same thing deserve the same fate, assuming you can prove that they knew what they were doing confered an unfair advantage. It's clear from hippo's posts that he feals he got an unfair advantage, and yet he did it anyway. That is the key differance, and the definition of an exploit. I meant its not HK's fault this mission exists. He would be a fool not to take advantage of it now that its possible to get rich fast farming it if you have the skills and the gear needed. Its definently NOT an exploit to farm a mission. Thats the worse thing ive ever heard. Are you really serious? I dont want this to become a flame fest anymore than it is, but do you really understand what you are saying here? Basicly you feel that if a player finds a really good mission, he should stop farming it because he should realize its not meant to be that good. Thats insane. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:03:00 - [22] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/07/2006 09:03:02 Originally by: HippoKing the multispec of doom. 5.0 base strength? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:07:00 - [23] You are picking a crazy example to make your argument hold. It doesnt. If you found a single asteroid that gave you double yield, its obvious its not working as intended. Its not the same AT ALL as doing a mission and finding out that the npc's are respawning so you can make lots of iskies. The respawn is obviously meant to happen while the asteroid giving double yield is not. You know you are wrong about this... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:10:00 - [24] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HippoKing the multispec of doom. 5.0 base strength? 4.8 Its a hypnos, but if you'd seen how effective it was, you'd agree with the "of doom" I have a kaikka one kicking around, but it uses too much cap/CPU really. Yeah, i use hypnos myself, but I know there are some faction 5.0's out there. Anyway, they all suck from a balance point of view and should be removed or constricted to EW ships. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Wait, so you think the mission system was built with the intent that players would spend 18 hours in a single mission? Seriously? You don't really think that, and if you do, it's just as valid for me to think this particular asteroid is common and intended. It's a "lots of iskie asteroid". It says so right there in my cargo hold. I think that mission was intended to have respawns to make it more difficult, yes. You know, it will STILL have these respawns when its moved to low sec. If its such a exploit, why are the devs keeping it? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Second, so you think it would be ok if I park a drone ship in a deadspace and leave it there for a week. Letting the drones naturally agro and take out anything that targets me? Because I think most people would cry foul. If not, hell, I have a new way for my alt to make me money. And I don't even have to be at the computer. People was actually doing missions afk.. then they started dying with the harder missions (which wasnt intended in the first place) while they werent even at their computer. Nobody says they are exploiting. Some are even getting their ships back from ccp. (!). Your definition of a exploit is very wrong. You are however entitled to your opinion. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:49:00 - [27] Originally by: HippoKing The 18hours is how long I had the mission open before starting this thread. Since then, I ran that instance for 6days, ran one mission inbetween, and got offered another Worlds Collide, which is still open. I have spent about 2hrs a day clearing it out I think most days this week. The best bit is that I can easily do it while semi-AFK, posting on the forums or working. I see. Personally i have this mission open too, but cant handle the serpentis spawn with my Raven. So i stick to just doing the first wave now and then... its worth 8 mill or so, and i do it 2-3 times per day. Takes very little time. I will try the gurista gate i think... its easier than the serpentis? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/07/2006 09:54:02 Originally by: HippoKing Guristas is significantly harder than serpentis (at least in a cerb, its all elite cruisers), and there are numerous warp scrambling frigates. Whatever happens, I'v been told, don't launch drones there. I'm suprised a raven can't hand the serpentis side though, as long as you don't aggress everyone, it should be OK I had 4 battleships and 4 cruisers firing at me at warpin point. Had 80/70 kinetic/thermal resistance with a cap injector. What am i doing wrong? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 10:00:00 - [29] Originally by: HippoKing uh... not tanking 4 Battleship and 4 BCs You should be able to tank them easily long enough for all the BCs to get massacred, and then start killing battleships. You might have to warp out once, but the respawn isn't that fast. Once the starting group is gone, just fly out to 90km, and pop all the others from afar, before they get in range. Will try. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 10:04:00 - [30] Originally by: HippoKing Also, it might be possible to increase your thermal resist some more for that side, should be easy enough. I take it you are using thermal cruise too? Nope, kinetic actually. Switching to thermal is better? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 10:06:00 - [31] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HippoKing Also, it might be possible to increase your thermal resist some more for that side, should be easy enough. I take it you are using thermal cruise too? Nope, kinetic actually. Switching to thermal is better? yeah, quite a lot. I only do a bit more damage to serps with kinetic than thermal, and I'm flying a ship with a 25% kinetic damage bonus Alrighy. Will try these changes... thanks alot for the info. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

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